Vol 215, Issue 7: 4 October 2021. Professor Claire Jackson is Director of the MRI-UQ Centre for Health Reform and Integration. Professor Di O'Halloran is from the Department of General Practice at the Western Sydney University. They talk about how to reform the 40-year-old Australian health care system to produce better outcomes for both patients and health care providers. To accompany their MJA Perspective at https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2021/215/7/reforming-our-health-care-system-time-rip-band-aid ... with MJA news and online editor, Cate Swannell. 26 mins, 12 secs.